people think they can use them anywhere, any time. you see people using them anywhere any time. most cases very rudely. but the point is that you can't drive a car safely ile you have a cell phone or a texting device in your hand. you simply can't because you're take your hands off the wheel for one thing and you're distracted for another thing. our statistics, we believe, are really the tip of the iceberg in terms of the real magnitude of this. >> woodruff: do you think the laws that we cited a minute ago are making any difference? >> i think enforcement is important. first of all you have to have good laws. there's a good law in washington d.c. and there's a good law in my home state of illinois, but enforcement is also very important. today while our distracted driving meeting was going on in washington, the washington d.c. policeality the direction of the chief were actually issuing tickets. they were sitting on a corner watching people, pulling them over, that were on a cell phone or texting. they wrote tickets today. that is the way that we will correct very dangerous beha